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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
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Posted - 2014.01.24 03:02:00 -
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Abdul 'aleem wrote:
I think that you and I and everyone knows that there is no way to access a missioner's mission pocket if they draw a mission and never undock. That means that they are definitely not owned by the public.
No troll. No personal attack. No judgement. You are just wrong.
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That doesnt make it belong to u though. If ur there, anyone can warp to it and its public OR u never undock and no one ever goes there so no one owns it. Its simultaneously no ones and everyone's at the same time. Thats assuming that the premise of being the person who opens the space makes u the owner, for which there is not a fragment reasoning. sorry, 'just because i open it' is not a good enough reason.
No troll. No personal attack. No judgment. You are just wrong.
if anything makes a mission belong to the mission acceptor its the fact that no matter who kills the NPC's the wrecks belong to the mission acceptor and his fleet. THAT god awful mechanic is the strongest argument that mission space is owned.
Getting back on topic though, i cant see a suspect status for ppl coming into missions working. They can cloak, or move fast enough that little will change and they will still get the item before u. If u make it so that the item is only accessible by the mission acceptor then u may as well take off the sandbox slogan that is eve. Stealing from mission runners is as good as ganking. It rewards the alert and prepared, or punishes such ppl less often at least.
Missions changing location, and/or perhaps requiring larger capacities seems like a better option.
There are no vets in EVE. Only varying levels of Noobery. |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1009
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Posted - 2014.01.24 03:03:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Abdul 'aleem wrote:I think that you and I and everyone knows that there is no way to access a missioner's mission pocket if they draw a mission and never undock. That means that they are definitely not owned by the public.
No troll. No personal attack. No judgement. You are just wrong. They're owned by whoever has the power to claim ownership and enforce it. I can claim ownership of every mission site and enforce my claim by hiring an army of minions to suicide gank every mission runner who trespasses on one of MY mission sites. It's MY site, not yours.
This is how ownership actually works in eve. If u cant defend it, its not urs.
There are no vets in EVE. Only varying levels of Noobery. |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1009
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Posted - 2014.01.24 03:05:00 -
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Abdul 'aleem wrote:
I would argue that the reason that no other player in the game can access the mission pocket if the owner doesn't undock after pulling the mission is that the missioner is in the "state of ownership" and can exercise that power of ownership to keep the location to themselves.
but if u never go there, then its not urs either
There are no vets in EVE. Only varying levels of Noobery. |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1009
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Posted - 2014.01.24 03:10:00 -
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thats a better argument than urs. and it still doesnt mean ppl should go suspect for entering ur mission.
There are no vets in EVE. Only varying levels of Noobery. |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1009
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Posted - 2014.01.24 03:16:00 -
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so what would you ask for on F+I when thieves start using cloaked ships and inties?
There are no vets in EVE. Only varying levels of Noobery. |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1009
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Posted - 2014.01.24 03:20:00 -
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where would u like me to begin?
There are no vets in EVE. Only varying levels of Noobery. |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1009
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Posted - 2014.01.24 03:41:00 -
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quoting the OP
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1) The would be thief is not a valid target in almost all situations until after they have successfully looted the mission item
2) If the thief aligns, loots and warps, the missioner can be deprived of the possibility to engage
inties and cloaks would still be able to take the item without being targettable until its too late, and it would be easy to pre align before taking the item with a cloak. Going suspect is little deterrent to most ppl who are aware of game mechanics. It certainly never stopped ppl looting wrecks in missions and sitting right out in front of you, or can flipping miners or providing neutral RR in war decs. Making them go suspect for entering the mission adds little to their risk and solves nothing of the problem ur experiencing. It only hurts salvagers; a profession deliberately allowed without criminal related consequences. CCP set that precedent years ago.
There are no vets in EVE. Only varying levels of Noobery. |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1018
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Posted - 2014.01.28 00:49:00 -
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Abdul 'aleem wrote:
Many others disagree with you but thanks for your opinion.
looks like more ppl disagree with you
Abdul 'aleem wrote:
Thanks again Daichi Yamato (known ganker/griefer/"pirate" and/or thief)!
if i was actually a known ganker/griefer/pirate and/or thief, wouldnt u be able to tell everyone which of the mentioned i was without using such indeterminate terminology as 'and/or'??
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